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, that's right. now, this may well present a problem for john boehner's caucus, because john boehner sent a letter to the president this week with his own plan, which advocates what just might be the least popular policy in american politics. okay, maybe that's hyperbole. but just be a tiny bit, i mean, mandatory gay marriage, in which every single married straight person had to immediately divorce their spouse, and accept a state-assigned same-gender spouse to replace them would probably be more popular than what john boehner proposed this week. what bjorn baijohn boehner is a is making medicare available to fewer americans. as it happens, there is brand-new polling out today on how americans feel about the idea of congress using these deficit negotiations to make cuts to medicare.ç 79% of americans say they do not want congress to touch medicare in these deficit negotiations. 79%. if you want to get specific about john boehner's proposal, what he wants to do to medicare is to raise the eligibility age from 65 to 67. and as it turns out, there is also recent polling on that specific pr
and running. john boehner is in a box. grover norquist near oblivion. karl rove benched on fox news. and the real action of barack obama has sent the republican party into total disarray. >> that's what i'm talking about. >> congressman jim clyburn of south carolina and eugene robinson on the latest republican fiasco. >>> plus, congressman chris van hollen on john boehner's latest concession on the fiscal cliff. michael eric dyson and donna genteel-o'donnell on the political fallout. howard dean on chris christie's big decision on the obama care exchange. and apple's ceo breaks big news to nbc's brian williams. >> next year, we will do one of our existing mac lines in the united states. >> tonight, a story of economic patriotism in an era of bain capital with e.j. dionne. good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. the reality start to set in on members of the republican party. republican senator jim demint of south carolina is leaving kplil capitol hill to become president of the heritage foundation. don't cry for demint. the out-going president of the heritage fo
committee chairs. >> there's definitely been a new message which is that john boehner's the boss and we're not going to deal with insubordination. if you look at that offer, people are saying it's boehner's offer. it's signed by eric cantor. >> and paul wrien. >>> and paul ryan. any leader who the rebels, shall we say, within the republican conference could have, is now aligned with wehner completely. strengths his hand. he's the sole negotiate, whatever he gets from president obama will be the rule of law. and i think what's really emboldened boehner, ironically, mitt romney's loss. it's this idea that john boehner's survived, he's the one who came through. we were able to keep the house. he does get a lot of credit for that among house republican circles, they were able to keep the house. people think -- >> he raised something like 100 million dollars. >> he's the kingmaker. i suspect that, from folks that i've talked to, eric cantor will not be a thorn in boehner's side. eric cantor realizes he has time, niece his 40s, he wants to be the first jewish speaker of the house. sit back, r
we're nowhere. >> speaker john boehner issued a downer offer yesterday. >> the white house quickly dismissed it. >> the speaker's proposal is out of balance. >> it is more of the same. >> it is not me being positive. it is the math. >> magic math. >> magic beans and fairy dust. >> president obama did win the election. >> me thinks somebody made him king. >> no. i don't think that's right. >> he doesn't see where he stands in the universe. >> i would say we're nowhere. >> are we that far apart? >> both sides want a deal. >> a matter of math. >> try to stay away from hypotheticals. >> it won't pass. >> discussions about unicorns. >> unicorns. >> they're imaginary beasts. >> magic beans. >> magic math. >> an enchanted universe. >> outrageous. >> the whole thing is going wacky. >> i would say we're nowhere. >> i don't envy the position the speaker is in. >> we're nowhere. ? you just might feel under attack. >> john boehner's power move. >> roll over and do what i ask. >> having the reins on the tea party. >> does he have real allies at this point? >> conservative groups lashed out. >>
. >> the president responds to john boehner, but democratic leader nancy pelosi has a plan to get around the speaker. tonight, leader pelosi joins me for an exclusive interview. >>> senator john kerry like you have never seen him before. the statesman from massachusetts scolds the radical right after senate republicans block a u.n. treaty on rights for the disabled because they are concerned about home schooling. you don't want to miss this tape. >>> plus my interview with ohio senator sherrod brown on what looks like a massive win for progressives and elizabeth warren. >>> then senator debbi stabenow of michigan on the latest in the fight to end republican obstruction. and the people creating petitions on the white house website are getting more and more creative. we'll tell you what the new petition to build a death star. >>> good to have you with us. thanks for watching. democrats are determined to extend the middle class tax cuts before the end of the year. that's the bottom line. party leaders and members are all on the same page. president obama rejected the latest proposal from john boehner.
, it's only 2%. >> so the white house is eliminating the republicans' house speaker john boehner was best cards. house speaker john boehner was left pretending that the democrats had not offered them a deal. >> now we need a response from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. >> house republican leader eric cantor also seemed to forget that the white house presented a specific plan in these negotiations. >> where are the specifics? where are the discussions? nothing is going on. meanwhile, the people of this country are the ones that suffer. so we ask the president, sit down with us, be serious about the specifics of spending so we can stop the wasteful spending in washington and finally address the problem. >> john boehner appears to have the same form of anesthesia mitt romney was suffering from on the campaign trail. he tells supporters, if our offer is not acceptable to the president, then he has an obligation to show leadership by presenting a credible plan of his own that can pass both houses of congress. but the white house already presented a pl
not do well, before this election happened, the republican speaker of the house john boehner had proposed that revenues should be raised by this much. this was his pre-election offer. after the election, which his party lost, after contesting on these grounds, after the election where his side lost, look at his new offer. now he's offering this much new reven revenue. his offer has gotten worse. you cannot have what i offered you before the election. what election? that's how the republican house speaker is playing the game this week. maybe in the world of the beltway and the sunday morning talk shows, maybe that makes sense. in the real world, here's what happened. here's the bigger picture. our economy broke very, very badly. not long ago on a historic scale. now in the real world, we are having these tiny little glimmers of recovery of economic growth. the first blue bar, that's when the stimulus bill went into effect. the stimulus kicks in and the economy starts to grow after having fallen off a cliff. that's the real cliff. just the other day, we learned our latest glimmer of growth
york. president obama has john boehner boxed in and is done playing games. now it's getting good. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%. that includes all of you. >> the president holds the line on taxes and draws the line on ç the debt ceiling. >> i will not play that game. >> tonight, democratic whip steny hoyer gives me the latest fiscal cliff developments and the democratic line on medicare. tom perriello from the center of american progress action fund on how democrats can deal with republicans who can't deal with reality. rubio and ryan reload with a new message for the middle class. >> both parties tend to divide americans into our voters and their voters. >> but there is no escaping their own policies. >> we're going to a majority of takers versus makers in america. >> dnc chair debbie wasserman schultz responds tonight. plus, senator barbara boxer on her new plan for national polling place standards. and a new poll shows half of all republicans think the defunct group a.c.o.r.n. stole the election from president ob
. the president is going to be president for the next four years, john boehner is likely to be president f-- speaker for for years. but the president needs john boehner more than john boehner needs the president. >> does the speaker have enough votes inside his caucus to agree to some kind of tax rate hike in the upper echelons of society, does he have enough votes that he can put together with whatever nancy pelosi can stir up and pass it? >> i'm not sure there's support for rate hike, there is support for the revenue by cleaning up the tax code. >> isn't there $800 billion of collected revenue still a tax hike? >> this has been part of the debate for years. looking at cleaning up the code. and candy, getting in there and -- there are so many ways you can do it. maybe you want to cap total deductions, maybe you want to look at some of these tax credits and clean this code up. dave campus p dave's camp has put an incredible amount of time on this. it is the time, this is the opportunity to clean that code up. >> if we don't act before the end of the year, taxes go up for everybody, not for
it be known that the president and speaker john boehner had talked on the phone. but at the same time treasury secretary tim geithner told cnbc that president obama is prepared to take a dive off the so-called fiscal cliff if republicans don't agree to take hikes on the richest americans. and so we welcome peter alexander, at the ranks of the white house correspondents, with a look at all of it. >> reporter: brian, good evening, on the north lawn, the phone call marks the first time speaker john boehner and the president spoke in a week, that is hardly something to celebrate, but they wouldn't characterize what they caused in the phone call as the country barrels towards the fiscal cliff. with no talks and no progress to avert the looming fiscal cliff, you could say the house has left the building, streaming out of the capitol. tomorrow's session cancelled. with only three work days left this year, they are often criticized. just 16 votes. across the country, rising frustration, americans asking why the holdup. and what will their taxes look like in 2013. >> maybe instead of getting my sister
. is this john boehner's caucus? is it eric cantor's caucus? negotiating with john boehner when he doesn't control things is not tenable for the white house, not tenable for john boehner. >> well, i guess in the beltway here where i am tonight and the micro, it's cantor or boehner, but the bigger picture, if the president succeeds in terming the country around on this whole obsession with protecting the rich and protecting no tax cuts, that's a big moment. possible transformative moment in where we are in american politics. krystal ball and richard wolffe, thanks for your time this evening. >> thank you, reverend. >> be sure to catch krystal on "the cycle" weekdays at 3 p.m. right here on msnbc. >>> ahead, he tried to get attention with a disasterous soup kitchen op, and now he wants to rebrand himself as someone who cares about the poor. we reveal paul ryan's makeover plans. and more on the box republicans are in and president obama's power play. senator barbara boxer of california joins me on that. >>> plus, it's the gop's worst nightmare come true. here comes elizabeth warren on the b
melissa: take a look at that. adam: another week wasted. that is how john boehner described the fiscal cliff negotiations. it is not painful until the very end of the year. how this benefits the company. adam: the note dropped 7.7%, the lowest rate since december 2008. that is just a headline. let's get to nicole petallides. the traders are reading a bit into this report. nicole: the first thing they noted when i came in here, a lot of them are talking about the fact that the prior month had been revised lower. the prior month which seemed like they were good news, in fact, were not as good as they seemed. they take these numbers with a grain of salt. the dow, nasdaq and s&p are mixed today. the dow is up about one third of 1%. what is interesting, this will be our third wedding week in a row. they have not been dramatic moves, but last week was pretty slots. jpmorgan and bank of america are some names on the dow that are holding on pretty nicely. the tech heavy nasdaq down one half of 1%. adam: a lot of people watching that jobs number. thank you very much. dennis: accordin
. john boehner gained strong backing of the house gop. they actually say that the speaker's more powerful today than he has been since he became speaker two years ago. >> well, that's exactly the opposite of what we were discussing on the set yesterday with matt lewis. >> yeah. i guess one question is, is that story there for a purpose, which is to make him appear stronger, and also, is he strong in relation to the offer that's on the table, which is an offer that does not reflect compromise yet? >> well, he is strong, i think, as long as he's not seen as bowing down and caving in to the president. i will tell you, there are conservatives dair a s -- erick who is trying to get him removed as speaker, saying they only need 16 votes to drive john boehner out of time. >> that's kind of my point. >> a situation described as very fluid. >> how many degrees of freedom does he have from where he is now and who's holding the pen when they sign those letters? >> yeah, i don't think he's got a lot of freedom. harold, what do you think? >> i hope he stays strong for the simple reason that if and whe
that happened today. john boehner, the speaker of the house, sent a message that a deal was in the works. he threw several house members off of key committees when they criticized him openly for looking like he was ready to make some deal on taxes with president obama. that's a sign to me that he's going to clear the decks to try to push through a deal. it's a sign that we're going get some kind of tax increases for the top 2%. i don't know where those numbers are going to be. pretty clear to me that a deal is in the works and we're heading in that direction. what i'm not sure of is whether the market will go up on this, necessarily. >> in terms of that january effect, bob, does that even matter this year? >> yes, look, it's not long from anybody, january and february are the best months of the year. that's a factor. >> let me ask you about putting money to work, keith springer. you say we're going to get a deal regardless. we may get a deal regardless, but that deal means probably higher taxes and lower spending. what are the areas in the economy in your view that get impacted most by a dea
with ourselves. >> john boehner made a point at expressing dismay the president hasn't responded two days after the republicans sent him a fiscal cliff counteroffer. >> if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and our outline, i think he's got an obligation to send one to the congress. and a plan that can pass both chambers of congress. >> by trying to keep gop frustration on the president, boehner appears to be keeping conservative lawmakers off his own back for now. >> what's mood inside the conference. >> very united, very supportive with the speaker. >> multiple sources tell cnn in a private meeting with house republicans, boehner got no flow back for producing $800 billion in tax revenue, despite backlash from conservative groups outside congress. >> any complaints about this new revenue? >> i didn't hear anything. >> the speaker has full support of the conference to move forward and get something done for the american people. >> so far, rank and time republicans are allowing boehner to play out this showdown, trying to look reasonable while the president is intransigent. especiall
this is going. john boehner, again, speaker, said we're at a stalemate. is that how you would describe where things are? >> i think we're far apart still, but i think we're moving closer together. >> where are you closer? >> the republicans have said for the first time in decades, if i'm not mistaken, the leaders of the republican party, that they are prepared to raise taxes as part of a deal that helps reduce our long tv term dif sit. what they haven't said is how far they're willing to go on rates and revenues, and that's what we need to see from them. >> they said no increased rates. >> but that's -- but they know this. there's not going to be an agreement without rates going up. there's not -- >> you'll go off the fiscal cliff in the republicans say, sorry, no way are we going to raise rates for the -- on the wealth pioli. you guys are willing to go off -- >> if republicans are not willing to let rates go back up and we think they should go back to the clinton levels, the time when the american economy was doing exceptional well, there will not be an agreement. >> you would be willing to
and john boehner did the gangnam style, your approval ratings might go up. "outfront" tonight, tom mcclintock of the budget committee. thank you for taking the time. we just showed a lot of your colleagues going home on a wednesday night after working a three-day week. obviously, that's an image that frustrates so many americans. why are people going home before getting this done? >> well, unfortunately, we're not using the standard process where the house passes its version, the is that the passes its version, then a conference committee is very good in revolving impasses like this between the two houses. unfortunately, none of that's being used and i think that's one of the reasons why these things are blocking down now so regularly. we've abandoned a process that works very well when we use it. >> john boehner presented a plan to the president and in that plan, he put $800 billion in revenue from the wealthy on the table. he said he would close loopholes and those people would pay more money. you were a member of the tea party caucus and some in your caucus have slammed boehner's p
, according to the republicans, unserious, it flabbergasted the speaker of the house, john boehner. though tim geithner went out yesterday and said, that plan that we're pushing? it's a good one. here he is. >> we think that's a very good set of proposals. we think that's what's good fort economy. if they've got different suggestions, they want to go further in some areas, they should lay it out to us. >> i think we're going over the cliff. it's pretty clear to me they've made a political calculation. this offer doesn't remotely deal with entitlement reform in a we to save medicare and medicaid and social security from imminent bankruptcy. it raises $1.6 trillion on job creators that will destroy the economy and there are no spending controls. i'm serious about revenue. you can limit deductions to 40 or $50,000 a person, which takes care of the middle class, upper income americans will lose their deductions and raise about 800 billion dollars in revenue. but i'll only do that if we do entitlement reform and the president's plan, when it comes to entitlement reform is just quite frankly, a joke
to have a grasp of the solution. so he is turning to john boehner to say why don't you do what we couldn't do or won't do? this is really amazing to watch this administration. presidents are supposed to lead, take the initiative, persuade others, create a national consensus. what does he do? he goes out to a toy, he goes out to a toy factory and wants another quarter trillion dollars in spending. i can't imagine why people are somewhat, well suspicious of our politicians given that. melissa: when you talk to people, they're so frustrated by what they see. they want to tune it out. turn back to their family in their own community. it is hard not to gauge. >> let's be real honest. that's what they have already done. that's why we're in this condition. we saw the president even lose 7 1/2 million votes from 2008 to this past november. we've got a lot of people retreating and becoming more insular instead of being engaged. melissa: yeah. >> republicans walking around whining about this president instead of doing something. the republicans were beaten because they doesn't do anything. they di
. speaker of the house john boehner said today that he is still waiting for a counterproposal now from the president of the united states. and we learned late this afternoon that in fact speaker boehner and president obama had a phone call today. we don't know, however, what was said in that call. but reports are that some progress is being made in these negotiations. at least conversations continuing behind the scenes between the top leaders, larry. >> all right. a phone call. that's pretty good progress. many thanks. so let's just ask a couple questions here. does president obama have the whip hand in all these negotiations, and are the republicans about to be blamed big-time for falling off their own fiscal cliff? joining me now is ace pollster scott rasmussen. i just did a little tv gig with scott, who's in about 60 cities across the country. all right, scott. you heard timothy geithner. he said if they don't raise taxes on the rich, they were going to go over the fiscal cliff. but at the end of the day, if we do fall over the fiscal cliff, if taxes go december 31st, will the repub
point here, ed? >> right now it's pretty dim. if you look at what speaker john boehner said in that exclusive interview with our own chris wallace on "fox news sunday." he said right now there are nowhere in these talks. other serious republicans like lindsey graham says he thinks we are edging closer to closer to this just being in calamity. >> i think we are going over the cliff. it's pretty clear to me that they made a political calculation. >> he believes we are likely to go of 00 cliff now. the bottom line is tonight the president is hosting congressional leaders for this congressional ball. basically a black tie holiday party. maybe they will start talking about compromise but so far none in site. ed henry live on the north lawn. prince william's wife kate in the hospital because of problems with her just announced pregnancy. just ahead what we have learned about this condition and this new kid coming along. plus a dolphin attacks a little girl at sea world with a bite strong enough to draw blood. you will see the extraordinary video and the response from both the girl
and john boehner, when they can't be bothered to talk to each other. so what did you discover? let me start with you, governor herbert. what was your take on the two meetings? >> well, we were honored to be invited. i think too many times, the states and governors have been overlooked and underappreciated and almost a second thought when it comes to some policies made so i applaud jack's leadership in getting us together in a bipartisan way through the national governors association. i thought we were well received. i think the president and the speaker and majority leader was appreciative of our insight and our concerns about them going over the fiscal cliff. >> right, but i mean, jack markell, that's all very well, i'm glad you all got on so swimmingly but what is actually going to get done here? there are 28 days to go until we fall off this cliff and the american people are frankly sick and tired of waiting for a bunch of politicians to try and sort something out and just play politics, just get on with it. >> well, we had a productive conversation with the president and his team as wel
that has a pen that can sign that, and it's something that john boehner has to take to the floor of the house and get past the floor of the house. the house is under republican control, so the president ought to be working with john boehner to find a solution that the house can pass and the president will sign if the president really was interested in signing it. the ridiculous offer by tim geithner really showed how completely unwilling this president is to look for a solution. >> well, i think no member of the house or the senate or the president should go on vacation before you've handled this. >> i think he has a vacation already planned. >> i know he does, but you know what? you guys have had a year and a half of knowing this problem exists, that everyone took off all the fall. the president and everybody ran for office who was up for office took off the entire fall. we paid all your salaries, and you didn't work, and now you've got this deadline of january 1, and you all think -- not sorry you, but you think you can take these expensive vacations or not expensive or take va
, house speaker john boehner did come to the white house last night for president obama's annual holiday party for members of congress, but he did not get in the receiving line to say hello to the president and get a picture taken with him as he has done in previous years and as dozens, if not hundreds, of members of congress did last night. diane? >> okay, jake tapper reporting from the white house tonight. >>> and now we head overseas. take a look at the size of this protest today in cairo, egypt, tahrir square, tens of thousands of protesters reeling from tear gas but determined to send a message to the world about their new duel over democracy, and here's abc's alex marquardt. >> reporter: they came by the tens of thousands hurling stones, pulling down barricades, riot police fired volleys of tear gas and retreated. as the masses grew, president mohammed morsi left the palace. ever since the revolution that captivated the world, egypt has struggled on its road to democracy. two weeks ago, president morsi gave himself unchecked powers -- he says to put egypt on a democratic path. ther
. >> jeff: back in washington president obama and house speaker john boehner did meet at the white house this afternoon. for more talks on the fiscal cliff. details were not released but both sides say lines of communication remain open. on face the nation erskine bowles co-chair of the bipartisan deficit commission told bob schieffer he's a bit more optimistic than he was a week ago. >> we were going through the cab ukee theatre, one side making an offer, the other rejecting it and that is pretty natural in any deal. but you know, they've started to tango now and you know any time you got two guys in there tangoing you got a chance to get it done. >> meanwhile urging both sides to get this done jeffrey immelt chairman of general electric spoke to charlie rose. >> i would say the business community almost universitily speaks with one voice that this needs to get done and get done now. and moving it to next year is just failure. >> jeff: you can see the full jeffrey immelt interview first thing tomorrow on cbs this morning. >> big business is to the alone in wanting to avoid the fiscal cl
. >> governor, there are some that would say john boehner's negotiating stance could be almost equally as inept as president obama's. he turned over $800 billion in spending. that's the opening offered from boehner camp? >> well, here is the thing. >> president. >> in tax increases. >> the president has to call the meeting. you can't have the speaker doing that that's the executive's job. the president hasn't had those meetings. he should be having one every day. what he should have done is to have had some quiet meetings, bring some republicans in and ask them to sponsor something. ask them to get their names on it. make something that everyone could live with you about frankly nobody would probably like and as far as what boehner put on the table, i think it was a good faith effort but it was rebuffed with geithner coming back saying no, 800 isn't enough. we want 1.6 trillion. >> as a conservative, where should this go? we are here obviously some tea party conservatives upset to eric's point about the way in which maybe the party is going. you have eric cantor, you have paul ryan even signing
geithner, but john boehner in an exclusive interview at the top of the hour, these are the two point men. boehner representing house republicans and any bill is going to have to get through them and geithner representing the president. you're exactly right. when geithner presented his plan to mcconnell, mcconnell says he burst out laughing and boehner you'll hear at the top of the hour, one of the words he uses is flabbergasted. what they were shocked at not that the president was going to call for more tax increases, he campaigned on that, but he came in with such a small set of spending cuts, about 600 billion dollars total in entitlement cuts and spending cuts and also had a demand that congress would give up any say from now on forever in raising the debt limit, which of course has always been a tool of congress, both democrats and republicans have used to oppose the president's policies or to demand if you're going to raise the debt limit increase spending cuts as well. boehner said there's absolutely a nonstarter. they're in a stalemate and nowhere and i guess the question is, with
to the fiscal cliff battle being waged in washington. now, late this afternoon house speaker john boehner sent a letter to the president detailing a bold counter offer to the administration's plan. the g.o.p. proposal does not include a tax increase on the so-caldwell thee but does contain $800 billion in revenue through tax reform, another $600 billion in health savings and much more. all told, the net savings amount to around 2.2 trillion dollars. the white house responded to this letter by saying that the president is, quote, willing to compromise but not on the subject of making job creators pay more in taxes. however, what our tax and spend commander-in-chief fails to understand is that putting money into the hands of you, the american people, is the single best way to spur economic growth, and it's not just people like ronald reagan who understand this principle. bill clinton famously said the era of big government is over and the end of wel welfare as we know it. why? because government is not the answer. government is the problem. there was that other iconic democrat, the one that occu
family. house speaker john boehner could not find a table where he was welcome so he made no comment at the table. it has become kick ed test. >> are are you saying that for pr purposes they should give give in? >> yes, i am. >> you are saying to obama, we don't have a revenue problem, an. we lost the election, sean. >> yes, america, it has come to this. ann is trying to get sean to face reality. let's watch a bit more of the intervention. >> if they are going to raise taxes and buy the argument and co opt his language. >> no, they are not going to allow taxes to be raised on 98% of america. >> you sound like obama. there comes a point in time when you have to ask yourself when are they going to fight? you say they are going to put them above your principles. >> not exactly. >> they are going to lose. >> well. >> you are going to lose. >> sometimes on principle. >> what is the principle? >> the principle is we want to raise taxes on everyone? >> if they block tax hikes on as they call it on the top two income earners not the rich. then taxes go up for everyone, how is that winning. >
-- whether john boehner frieze of members of congress to vote for some kind of a compromise that would include a rise in rates on the wealthy. i don't know what the mechanisms will be, but you have the negotiations taking place on the one hand, and on the other hand you have negotiations on all the rest of the stuff which is likely to be lumped into some kind of an omnibus bill a series of bills at the end of the year struck the last minute to bail us out of this issue. likely to include a bunch of unattractive add-ons, last minute things, and it will be the kind of agreement, the kind of negotiation that leaves the rest of america, the heartland, as you say, even more disaffected with the ways that washington is doing business. looks like the way that washington is going to be doing business from here forward. gerri: to you. you watch this. you must be disbelieving. the length of time these things take. very important jobs numbers and the jobless rate in down to 7%. but what is astonishing about that report was not that number or even the one below it. it was the number of people who
house speaker john boehner because this was his reaction to the plan that jessica just ran us through, the white house's plan here speaker boehner got the plan thursday from treasury secretary tim geithner. here he was. >> flabbergasted. you can't be serious. i've just never seen anything like it. >> flabbergasted, he says. 29 days until this automatic tax increase, until the federal spending cuts that, you know, kick into place that can plunge the economy back into recession. and you have the house speaker saying this white house proposal, the one he received just a matter of days ago, isn't even serious. gloria borger, our chief political analyst, let me bring you in here. one of the questions is does it seem to you that the president feels as though he has some leverage here? he won the election, right? >> he did. >> maybe that accounts for what's in his proposal. >> yeah. this is clearly a different president obama than the one we saw during the debt ceiling negotiations or even after the midterm elections in 2010 when he felt a little weakened and there was the extension of those
-term deal. >> john boehner, speaker of the house, he came up with a proposal. but not all the conservatives in the house and the senate are on board. jim demint, republican senator from south carolina. >> this is a time to negotiate with ourselves. we need to invite the president to work with us. his proposal was so outlandish, i don't think we should go back to the table until he puts something there that we can work with. the president has known about this fiscal cliff for over a year. and many of his decisions caused us to be in this position. >> how much of a problem does boehner have with other republicans potentially? >> it's a big problem. it's always been his problem. it's been a problem for the republican party since they started taking that no tax pledge 30 years ago. what is revenue increase? is closing deductions and loopholes a revenue increase? and if so, do you have to oppose that? i think what we see going on in the republican party right now is a fight between the stalwart, no new tax whatever conservatives and those who believe that they have a responsibility to keep the c
decade, but it does not include higher tax rates for the wealthy. the house speaker john boehner calls it a credible plan that deserves serious consideration by the white house. guess what? the white house released a statement tonight saying the plan is nothing new, that it lowers rates for the wealthy and sticks the middle class with the bill. so to borrow a phrase, we're nowhere. period. david walker is president and ceo of comeback america initiative. he's made it his mission to promote fiscal responsibility. he joins us along with cnn political analyst, david gergen. the house republicans put forward their counter proposal. speaker boehner says it's credible and the white house should consider it. is it credible or is it more of what you have called the irresponsible unethical immoral behavior of all the politicians here in washington? >> i think both sides are now putting things on the table but i think they're confused. what we have to do in the short term is avoid the fiscal cliff. the major decisions with regard to tax reform, social insurance programs, et cetera, can't and sho
, the election of 2012 is the tie breaker. i just heard john boehner in an effort to scramble, it was a status quo election. if the republicans won the presidency and gained seelts in the senate and in the house, they wouldn't be calling it a status quo election. they would be calling it a mandate. particularly amused and frustrated way. obama doesn't have a mandate to raise taxes. george bush cut taxes with a minus half a million margin in the polls. so if that isn't enough of a mandate to do something about taxes, what is with the loss? >> we're going to miss you congressman frank. ending an incredible career in massachusetts. thank you so much. we're going to have you back, if we can. >> i'll be around. >> i'm going to ask you what you miss positively and negatively from the congress. thank for coming on tonight. >> you're welcome. >>> when we return, let me finish with whether the politicians will be able to do what's necessary this this month. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. >>> let me finish tonight with something important about leave leading this country through a d
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